603.7b, 719.1b), even on future end steps, so that in the case of "Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step" (see also [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]), that ability won't "[s]acrifice it" even in future end steps. This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". RULINGS. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. Please link all cards using double brackets. Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? Even though the outcome *COULD* be different, it's not guaranteed to be, so it's just stalling. You have to choose a finite amount of times to execute the loop. We ask the question "what can we do . I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. DMCA requests | If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. obeka - (G) (SF) (txt)sundial of the infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). I think we need more artifact mana. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide 1x Crumbling Necropolis. 1x Canyon Slough. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. Effects that last until the end of a turn end during the cleanup step of that turn. before the end step, the turn will move to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including end steps) (C.R. Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. That's Crazy, Just gonna comment here cos i wanna see where this is going. Contact | 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? 719.1d; see also C.R. Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. 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The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. Help | This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. It doesn't work at all. So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? The active player, you, must choose a different action. Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . With the release of Magic 2010, all cards that used to say "at end of turn" were changed to say either "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" (C.R. If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). Pssh, the best thing about this card is the fact that it turns. Commander Legends: Obeka, Brute Chronologist. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. It has " Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. I play a lot of Magic. - from the comprehensive rules. In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. 3) State-based actions are checked. But with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), you can "cancel" certain abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" or "at end of combat", if you end the turn at the right moment. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? 3) State-based actions are checked. As you will be the next player with extra turns it means that the. Help | (Note the lack of the word "next".) The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Obeka, Brute Chronologist (1582 decks) $13.99 $10.83 0.16 TIX Isochron Scepter $14.99 $15.68 1.01 TIX Final Fortune This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. Login or Register to hide these ads. Average Deckbox Price. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Rulings. 30-day money back guarantee. 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As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. One one hand, all actions and decisions are voluntary and not mandatory, so it's not a forced draw. Out of stock. If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back. Playtest v1. you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. . If anyone has any information on this and can help us out, it would be much appreciated. I'm curious to see a judge rule on this one. I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. Obeka, Brute Chronologist + Final Fortune + Elite Arcanist/Isochron Scepter = Infinite turns lol. Most combos actually win a game in the way they're designed; infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite turns, infinite blink. This isn't even a real thing. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. This sounds wild, and awful to play against. Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. OP's wrong about how multi-player loops function, though. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? This site is unaffiliated. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller? Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA Say for Delina: do n't you mean `` at the end of turn. Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability maximum hand size loops. Loses patience first a judge rule on this one ends still give the creature back process... 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