I lived through the media coverage. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. They have also lived in Watertown, NY and Scottsdale, AZ. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. ), Interesting suggestion. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. I am quite bothered by what happened in that courtroom and in the media. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. We identified 6 records related to "Robert Knickerbocker" in the state of Arizona. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. 2023 Warner Bros. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. You said yourself that the title was revealing. Lived In Grand Rapids MI, Tempe AZ. Why? They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? I hope they have. In a perfect world this would always be the case. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Detectives, like the hospital staff, were struck by Downs aloof attitude about the shootings and the fact that one of her children had been killed. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. I agree. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. It appeared rigged: Rigged? From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. Robert has lived in Tucson, AZ in a single family house with Lori. No worries. I would like to believe this is the truth. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. 2. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. Basically then at that I think that she has done enough time and should be released. Robert Arthur Knickerbocker, age 60s, lives in Tucson, AZ. Diane followed the detectives to their car. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song, The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. Plus: California man uses Bitcoin to pay hitman to murder his ex; police accuse woman of abandoning baby found frozen to death in 1985; woman who may be victim of alleged D.C. serial killer identified; and Ghislaine Maxwell makes bid for lighter sentence. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. Brewer changed his mind. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. Brewer changed his mind. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. I do not post rude comments. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Our laws are not written that way. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. For some people, the best send-off is one that they would have loved to attendthemselves: a big party. Run Bambi Run! The strong, emotive language. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. David Kessler's top 4 tips for dealing with holiday grief. Q. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. I have watched her parole hearing. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. She was fighting back and they did not like it. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. He was interogated but, the police never had a reason to doubt him. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. It is not a run of the mill case. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. It is not my point. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. Three-year-old Danny was believed to have been asleep at the time of the incident. Thats food for thought. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. The family moved to Mesa, Arizona, and Diane and Steve worked at the same mobile-home manufacturer. To find out which of Robert De Niro's films stand out among the rest, Stacker found his top 50 movies based on IMDb user ratings. So she warns her to stay away. I found nothing. Downs called Robert Knickerbocker, a married man and a former coworker in Arizona with who she had been having an affair. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. But they tended to ignore other important aspects. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Disclaimer: Reference to these media outlets or TV shows should not be construed to imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Spokeo or its products. Spiritual advancement and atonement? Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. It does seem time has done worse to her. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. Robert Knickerbocker, age 60s, lives in Phoenix, AZ. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. AKA: Robert Knickerboc, Ruk K Knickerbocker, Robt Knickerbocker +12 more. Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . The jurors had doubts. I agree. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. The lack of balance and objectivity. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. Inside, outside, top to bottom. They're not a map to follow, but simply a description of what people commonly feel. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? Inflammatory and speculative I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. . This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. Speculative. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? I hope she is granted parole. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. Find Robert Knickerbocker's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Leave a memory or share a photo or video below to show your support. The couple married in November 1973, when Diane was only 18 years old. Postal Service to be closer to her parents. Almost immediately, police suspected that something was amiss. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Robert Knickerbocker in Phoenix, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Phoenix, such as Carefree and Scottsdale. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. . From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. Thank you Lise. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com Is there any update? (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2), So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER was born on December 25, 1932 and passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson, AZ and is under the care of. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. Robert Knickerbocker in Michigan. Three weeks after the crime, Judge Foote from family courts, removed Danny and Christie from the care of Diane Downs and her family. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. He was buried at burial place, Arizona. A second child, Cheryl, quickly followed in January 1976. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. I wish she could get a new look. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. She. They rarely get a break. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. It was faulty. Ways to honor Robert Knickerbocker's life and legacy. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. You read a few comments. The prosecutors in the case said that Diane had committed such a heinous act in the hopes of getting back together with one of her previous lovers, Robert Knickerbocker, who had made it known that he didnt want children in his life. Speculative? You wondered at times, which side he was working for. Due process always matters. Page 26 of Case History. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Sign up for service and obituary updates. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Theres a lot to be said here, still. Seems like she was her worst enemy. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? Whats next? Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. What?? She was found guilty. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Past Addresses: Tucson AZ, Tucson AZ +2 more. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? 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