Yeah, I think I get your point, and I appreciate the response. Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. I tried real hard to laugh about it. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. Im sure they could help Mr Platt find a fulfilment of his dream. Im afraid for our church. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. Cant leave much time for family. Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. Same here. There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. OK, Dont let the door hit your tutu on the way out! Seriously, is this Hollywood or the church of Jesus Christ? In oterh words, find a real church.. And when we take the word pastor and make of it a title and paid formal position rather than a gifting useful for service to others (which is all it appears to be in Eph 4), and when that position is essentially that of congregational CEO who is the head motivational speaker and (hopefully benevolent) king to whom all submit (rather than submitting one to another, and ultimately, of course, to Jesus), why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? The upper room in Jerusalem at Pentecost held a whole bunch of people and is unlikely to have been just somebodys parlor. well, and they themselves explained the gospel when the occasion demanded. All of scripture is not the Gospel (Wisdom Lit., lament, apocalyptic, etc.). +++++++++++++++++++++++. They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. for a paper. But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. It is a very odd collection of characters. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ He will receive no salary. @ Paul: That s not how it works. Bridget, And sadder yet many cant see it! He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. @ Preacherskid: Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. Whos We? But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. (I first learned of it fromSBC This Week.). Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor . I have been hearing from a few folks. As others have already stated here, he is exhausting to listen to, and we feel very beat up after his sermons. Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. Dee, I really like this post, as I used to work at St. Thomas, an Episcopal Church across the street from McLean Bible. Is he polishing his sermons so thoroughly they can seamlessly make the transition to book format? @Richard- MBC@ Richard Norman: They must have gone in in laparoscopically. A Proverbial Shortcut To Mushrooms, Perhaps?, I think we should get off the road (1), Lon knows quite clearly that the people of McLean Bible Church dont throw stones, Spy Its kind of what was talked of in wanting a place to be well run. The man boy who took over my former church immediately had his title changed to lead pastor. He thought it might help me to understand what good seminaries teach about being a pastor. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. I hope you are. I learned recently that these titles are very important in that world. Somewhere along the line, not some religious line but I forget just where it was taught, that Man is made of many needs. Mohler does as he pleases, as far as I can tell. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. Once heard a pastor bluster on the stage: When ya get called to the ministry, its like nothin ya ever experienced, why its life changin event! Didnt know any better back then in my youth, but today Id tell that pomposity everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance, and that fact that he thought it wise to mount a stage and puff about his in particular is a sign that he had no calling at all. We have greatly improved our administration (add ministry) for which I am thankful. While some people think that Jimmy sounds like he could be deaf for some reason, many others think he has the hottest voice ever. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. You can feel it! I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. It was taped and shown later. The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. GSD, They can. My husband and I attended the Sunday school class in one church but attended services in another. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. Why are we so stupid? He could have one or not, but telling everyone when you first meet that he does NOT tells you something and its not a positive thing. However, other fans, find Jimmys voice to be his hallmark trait. It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. Nor do they ever get any deeper. The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. Even if he does prep his own sermons . He needs a vacation, so do I from LIFE. Yeah, my husband and I are not fans of this recent development. This year they have got the Pied Piper and years ago they hosted Mark Driscoll. Its a fair question. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. We all need to be fed. I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. Very few people are in jobs that are truly safe. tr. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Membership Covenants He paid it lip service in the introduction, but did not believe it as a sign of health. This plague has even crossed the Atlantic and come to the UK. Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. Dont get me wrong, the Bible is a great and wonderful thing, and as far as holy books go it has no equal. No created thing compares to knowing Him. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. Balance is such a godly thing, and takes time and Im working on it. He is doing exactly this! i think most pastors are trained (whether by others or by self) to feel justified in being the recipient of tax breaks. This is a predicate. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Definitions are all changing under our feet (the boundary markers are being moved). As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. i called every single one. That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. Ive just looked again at David Platts photograph at the top of this thread. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. He believed, and I also think, that is was part of its success. Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. I wonder when. Now I dont know what to do. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? Lay people are the backbone of the church. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers If I want to just listen to a sermon I can do that online. It is a sad fact of mega-church psychology that people like to be associated with stars. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). Im afraid for our church. In the year I have attended MBC, I have NEVER known a single person sitting next to me at service. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. What is Jesus gospel? Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? Some things never change. They promote their conferences, they sell books by Piper, Mahaney, DeYoung and the rest. But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! I believe they will be held accountable. This happens at my church too and it is lovely. In what respects? With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. I bet Mac Brunson is now going to become on of the Calvinistas. When I was in my former church, my husband, a friend and I led a Sunday school class that was well attended. That kind of New Testament model? Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. I know he did this purposely since they had all sorts of huge speakers in his church. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: Spy He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. AMEN! We need to assemble, and we need each other to live out the one anothers. Christ gave Himself for the Church. At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. The church has completely lost its relevance. All of which probably sounds more dismissive than I mean it to. I loved hearing Todd Phillips and Ken Baugh preach. David Joseph Platt is an American evangelical Baptist pastor. sigh. Its absurd on its face, its not true. The teaching became ever more shallow, the focus shifted from sound teaching to pop-culture issues and my husband and I believe thats what set it up to bring Platt in. I explain I can't do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. Its like a code for the party apparatus. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. How many weekly training hours do you suppose it takes to actually be able to win one of those? Spy Please dont tell me that Lon believes in Calvanismwould break my heart. http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. @ Gram3: Dont you dare tell me what to do unless you have a reason that I approve. However, imagine being the pastor of a mega church. It is not the whole. Say to the cities of America, Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved! I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. That sounds like a good first step, but its not a guarantee. its high time for change. But it has come at the cost of ministry (unto the LORD, tent of meeting). He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. Disclaimer: We have had a pastor/missionary in the family-by marriage-and I came close to getting fitted for an orange jump suit over that rascal. He walks around to the tables, introduces himself and tries to get to know the customers. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. That is the reason for the revisiting language, I think. He looks nothing like David Platt. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. Tell me want to do/believe, and I will do it, I do not want to figure it my self to much work and, 2. Her health took a turn for the worse and she past away while in intensive care. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. My guess is that they are going to start monkeying around with what is being taught. i have a feeling it is an easy process. So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? Maybe I did not put it across very well and I certainly agree with you about the importance of the two great commandments. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. I am not convinced the humility David Platt exhibits is real, considering his celebrity status and the lack of persecution from the world. I believe he is fitting in quite nicely with the harlot institutional church, using the Name of our LORD for his own personal glory. I dont believe providing free spaces to commercial growers and businesses should be considered a community service. They actually have a very limited impact. have you guys even listened to his sermons?? We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Lol. So the calling from God to be your pastor is really? Much of the sermon is basic storytelling. The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. Thats interesting. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? and for fun. Example: did the church meet in individual homes? He wants that title. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: Im not looking for the perfect church . Even using the same example and telling them as if they had happened to him. Nothing triggered me. * (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). traumatic brain injury. He has written several books, including Something Needs to Change and Radical. Being hired to spend your week writing sermons and you lie about it and let someone else write them. The building which was on the tax rolls is now removed causing a decrease in the tax base and higher taxes for others. Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. The flock is right in holding its paid shepherd role accountable, sadly lacking today. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. Not a people person, very opinionated despite his humble exterior. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. We agree on this. I believe in the paid pastor role a laborer is worthy of his/her hire. How many of our churches are creating spiritual diabetics? I. Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. His church, brookhills, (or whatever the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. To understand him better, read his book Radical. Why a building, and a pastor if they are going to refuse to do any of the real work of the church? I have written about when he took his Secret Church show on the road to an undisclosed location in the Middle East where a person could lose his life for being a Christian. The event was supposedly being simulcast live to the USA it wasnt. Mahaney.) I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. Im not there yet. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. Your words today were very encouraging. Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Count it all joy to pay the cost and reveal His worth! Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. Got a bit lively, but no legal or 501c3 problems. I understand what youre saying, but there are few legal resources for church conflict. Not screaming like his passengers. 12, 1 Cor. In what respects? Guest speaker or consultant perhaps, but not a pastor. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. Pastoral care fits, here. Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. WebDavid Andrew Platt (born 10 June 1966) is an English former professional football coach and player, who played as a midfielder.. Born in Chadderton, Lancashire, Platt began his career as an apprentice at Manchester United before moving to Crewe Alexandra, where he began building a reputation as a goal-scoring midfielder.At the age of 22, he signed for @ Gram3: Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? WebSpeech disorders affect roughly 11.5% of the US population, and 5% of the primary school population. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? He sounds like a driven man. He even had the nerve to say he was leaving the church in the best shape it had ever been in and its history! Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. Here are the top six lies David Platt told to McLean Bible Church to mischaracterize conservative dissidents working to save the church from the Woke Social Justice heresy. David Platt lied and claimed McLean Bible Church is not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. However, all the evidence says otherwise. Cue the choking voice and near tears as he passionately tells his church of all the Nepalese dying without hearing the Gospel. And one more thing. I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. *looks skyward, whistles*. Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao I said " E, that's not a true story! So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. I asked if anyone had any word on new and promising upcoming middle of the road candidates for the next election because I did not have time right now to research them myself. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). The reason I put in ot was so a life saving medical test could be approved for a 2 year old child. He did not create the mess but he had to be the face of it. Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change.. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. Instead of sending your money to the church, send it to charities that you personally know and feel connected to. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? What a relief. Its totally untenable but yet I have seen so many in high positions double dip or even have businesses on the side that enrich them even more. I cant think of any big names in the UK but that doesnt matter there are plenty of gifted people within local churches. To be fair most denominations have never heard of him as the lawsuit has not received any media coverage over here. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. Hes doing well. (PS: We would like to know how many of Ed Stetzer church plants survived.It's a little hard to get that number). He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing (vs 13). And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. I found your comment fascinating. And of course to get it embodied, which you can only do with individuals, not in the abstract.-Eugene H. Peterson link. We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? Anointed proclamation shows that God speaks when all the idols of our culture are deaf and dumb. But they serve others, and visit the sick. I do believe the quickest way to clean up the Body is STOP the clergy/laity divide and go to the all volunteer movement. It is the body of Christ. Experts warn David and Victoria Beckhams little girl may end up with speech or dental issues if she continues to use on, wrote Jemma Buckley in an article for The Daily Mail. . It is our reasonable service in light of Who God is. I generally know what to expect, altho Ive had my share of surprisesmy motto is there is no such thing as a straightforward issue. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. For a variety of reasons, I ended up attending a different fellowship but at that time had nothing bad to say about my experience at McLean. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. My impression is that these guys truly have no intention to get to know or love anyonethey only desire to lead! Both should be evident, though. The response I had no right to ask to speak to the pastor, the pastor is a very busy man (busy doing what?) I saw this with the vicar of an Anglican church I used to go to. If one then takes this approach and looks at a goodly number of other things in scripture which Christians argue about one finds a lot more leeway in scripture than apparently some folks want to tolerate in todays church culture and practice. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? I hope not. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. I know many folks like me at Mclean. Its a long and somewhat boring story. Both monologue (preaching) and dialogue (teaching w/discussion) are valuable in the Church. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? 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