Remains believed to belong to their two children were. Shanann "I've cried myself to sleep over a week now. If Chris CHOOSES not to make a choice in anything ie lets watch what you want to watch eat where you want to eat go where you want to go etc that doesnt automatically make Shannan controlling, it makes Chris a boring, spineless, personalityless wimp. Chris Watts has been arrested and charged with murder in connection with the deaths of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste. Separation comes up 38 times in the discovery, and 8 times [separate or separating] in the CBI Report. She labeled things, yes, but it was her unwillingness to let things go that was truly obsessive. Chris pleaded guilty to the crimes that . He comes across as predatory and basic. That is what makes this case all the more interesting, we had most of their life documented on social media and STILL cant figure it all out. The Watts Family Murders became a talk of many talks and news shows; episodes of ABC News television news magazine 20/20, American talk show Dr. Phil, and The Dr. Oz Show featured the story of the massacre. Nickole Utoft Atkinson, Friend, and Colleague of Shanann Watts. Tons of couples go through this type of stuff! He also said so, and others said so too. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. In 2013, the couple bought a large, five-bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado prior to the birth of their first daughter, Bella. Parents dont like to get involved in their grown adult childrens relationships or marital problems, I understand this. At first, Christ had told the police that he did not know where his wife and two daughters were and he hadnt seen his wife since he left for the work at 5:15 am on August 13. Having someone listen to him was a total shock to him. Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. He was an attorney correct? Nothing out of the box. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. The Watts family eventually settled in Frederick, Colorado in a five-bedroom home they bought in 2013. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. Separating was sort of a trial one when she visited family for 5 weeks, and divorce was push coming to shove in Chriss mind to permanently change his life. The fact that Shanann was talking to a divorce lawyer about custody in April, three-and-a-half months before the murders, suggests there was a protracted period of unhappiness, and acknowledgement from both sides that things were falling apart. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. They met in 2010 through mutual friends and married in November 2012. Well, it may be because Shanann didnt want to, and thought she could sort of control Watts into not going through with it. In April 2013, Shanann and Chris moved with her family to Frederic, Colorado, and bought a five-bedroom, four-bathroom house at 2825 Saratoga Trail on a loan of $392,709. In his own words: In his own words: August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and . Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . Chris Watts opened up about the many cracks in his marriage shortly after being sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his family. I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. He doesnt say but of course, we are only getting Leonards side of the story and we cant hear Shananns. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Chris Watts is serving five life sentences plus 48 years in prison without the possibility of parole. Specially after they are both dead! Shanann and Chris jointly filed for a chapter 7 bankruptcy in Colorado Federal Court in June 2015. He already secured the oil field site so that no one else would be there when he disposed of the bodies. Days before Chris Watts murdered his wife, she sent chilling texts to a friend. Interesting none-the-less. I think ur right with all this. Its for a specified amount of time I believe. In 2010, she met Chriss Lee Watts, who was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. The juxtaposition of Shananns seemingly idyllic life and its violent end has stunned the public and attracted widespread media attention. I dont know if Shanann could have acclamated herself to a different lifestyle, honestly I guess well never know. Just Published! In his eyes they had to go all of them and I believe he thought about murdering them as soon as he got a taste of freedom. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. You feel like youre expendable. There was equity in the house but they didnt exactly buy low. When nobody answered the doorbell, Nickole notified Chris who was at work, and also called the Frederick Police Department. I think she went off of what others told her about CW and what she saw for herselfher implying judgement on him, belittling his character, controlling, making off-hand commentsa lot of that is part of her character, she was outgoing, sarcastic and opinionated, that isnt always bad. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. I personally would not have gone on that AZ trip knowing there is something wrong unless we had come to an impasse and had agreed to disagree or agreed to either separate or try and see how things go (which is what the speculation and her texts show). They added that they feared that the release of the film will only increase the harassment that they had already been receiving. Its no mystery, the Watts marriage was in trouble long before Shanann received that critical credit card alert on Saturday night, proving Watts wasnt at the Rockies Games, and suggesting he wasnt eating alone. During the welfare check, the police officer inspected the house but there were no signs of Shanann and her daughters. On June 11 . Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. Janny Free please dont call them little monsters they died but the hand of their father, and Bella was such a sweet little girl, and CeCe was younger she was still in toddler stageShe was gonna grow out of itNo matter what happened between these adults they didnt deserve to die, and neither did Shanann RIP Shanann and your 3 Angels Bella Celeste Nico , Janny didnt call them little monsters she was repeating what Shanann called them in one of her videos . Think before you speak. Its not a nice feeling. Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. I agree CBH. It doesnt matter what her past mistakes may or may not have been. In Shananns mind she may have convinced herself it all had to do with the nut argument with his parents, then at the end of her life she may have gotten the message that he was cheating, but way way before that. According to the lawyer, after an argument over divorce, Chris strangled Shanann to death. I think it had more to do with her controlling ways and if she knew in her heart that was why he was becoming distant or non-communicative, she really didnt know how to change that about herself, and instead amped it up until co-existing with her became unbearable to him. The couple was blessed with two daughters: Bella Marie Watts who was born on December 17, 2013, and Celeste Cathryn Cece Watts who was born on July 17, 2015. She started seeing signs long before he killed them even confiding in a friend I dont think hes cheating on me as he has no game! She loved dogs and had a dachshund named Dieter. After Shananns death and Chris arrest, Dieter was kept at a friends house and later went to live with her brother, Frankie. She noted that most murders of American women are committed by intimate partners, not strangers. Hes passive, a yes man, doesnt want confrontation. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. When you think about it it makes no sense Shanann would want to rekindle a romantic flame with Watts at Myrtle Beach then invite her parents along (and children). Shanann Watts and her younger brother, Frankie Rzucek, were raised in Aberdeen, N.C. Chris Watts is also from North Carolina, and he married Shanann Watts in the state back in 2010. Based on her Facebook page, Shanann Watts had it all: a satisfying career that allowed her to travel, two gorgeous little girls, a doting husband and a new baby on the way. This might have been in an attempt to just glaze over their issues and not answer truthfully but to answer with half-truths. In fact neither was true, divorce proceedings hadnt even started as far as we know. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. In addition to the murder charges for Shanann and his daughters, he also pleaded guilty . Interesting he says when things were not going well in their relationship, thats when she poured herself into work, out late, not coming home at all etc. No one just snaps, Glenn said. It is how you build one. Yes, too little to late on her end. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. How old was he? Later, Chris confessed to murdering Shanann and his daughters. Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. way out by divorcing instead of killing her. Yet experts in domestic violence say its impossible to know what happens behind closed doors, and social media accounts can act as a tool to hide turmoil in the home. I love this man! She would contact CW and NKs employer outing them and she would stir up ANY kind of shit she could even if it would be detrimental to her own children. Ive watched hundreds of hours of videos and read all the discovery on this case and I think some of what you write may be true but not all. Chris Watts, then 33, had grown distant from his family and was seeing a new woman. This was supposed to trigger the annihilation that followed. In an interview with Dr.Phil, Chris lawyer told how Chris killed his daughters. Yes . Hes my ROCK! she wrote about her husband, Christopher Watts, in May. But she didnt let up about it. Her friend tried to soothe her, to no avail. I know we cant judge a parent by a few videos, but I didnt see the passionatly loving parent or strong engagement between he and his kids. Not sure how often that happens even though Im still friends with my sons ex-wife but it would be very hard not to like her, There is an interview of an ex-girlfriend . August 22, 2018 / 3:26 PM / CBS Colorado. After the film was released, Shananns family condemned the film and said that the filmmakers were only making money off the case. The ex states Shanann states she left because domestic violence. A puzzle that is missing many key pieces. In a new documentary from Netflix, newly revealed letters and texts show that Shanann had no idea that her marriage would soon turn deadly. Have a great time.". The streaming platform recently released the documentary American Murder: . Spot on I thinksort of sums up the sad complication of life.she was no doubt wanting to do the very best for her family, hence her ambition which could be viewed as obsession. So why take the children out too? The irony is in exactly the same way he didnt feel acknowledged, towards the very end she complained that he hadnt acknowledged her or their unborn child. CW probably didnt believe he was good enough or thought he could do better. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about . Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. Didnt she say somewhere that Chris is the one who thought a third child, hoping for a boy, would help their marriage and then she mentions to people that he now thinks Bella and Celeste are enough? DENVER (AP/CBS4) Chris Watts, the sole suspect arrested in the murder of his pregnant wife and two young daughters, before dumping their bodies at an . Hes wishy washy with both and leads them to believe one thing when he actually means another. Shananns family has said Christopher, 33, confessed to killing his wife and children. She was desperate when she realized he was done. There are family annihilation cases each year ~ but I heard that this one took the prize in victim blaming. Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. She worked at the hospital till 2016, and then, joined as an independent representative for Le-vel, a company that markets Thrive health and wellness products. So they had been together only 8 years and 3 day at the time on that fatal morning. How old was she when she married, how long did it last? Meanwhile, Chris began his affair with Nichol Kessinger, a woman he worked with, telling her he was separated. In an interview with a local news station on Tuesday, Christopher said he and his wife had an emotional conversation before her disappearance, and he pleaded for her and the kids to come home. This is the full timeline of his murder case, complete with phone records, texts . You have some real writing talent. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. Then he meets Nichol, and he does what she tells him to do. That is where the Psychology comes into questionForensically/Criminally, Behaviorally and otherwise. He described how he did it. But wasn't he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? IMO they were talking divorce/separation for quite some time, possibly a year. Cheryln Cadle, a married grandmother of 12, recalled her correspondence with Chris Watts in "Cellmate Secrets," a true-crime docuseries on Lifetime narrated by Angie Harmon. On the morning of Aug. 7, just six days before was she . We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. Chris had his $5 million bails revoked after this and was remanded to custody immediately. When it comes to Familicide, it is really hard to pinpoint and say there were absolutely no outward signs I do think CW appeared to be very standoffish and distant in the last videos of them on the trip. Now the Lupus posts begin. Now, her husband, Chris Watts, is accused of killing her and their two young girls in Frederick, Colorado. Granted, this is much, much worse than that, but there may be a clue to the criminal psychology in the family dynamics. For some reason she couldnt fathom him cheating and posting stupid shit constantly about her wonderful life that was only in her head. I think chris felt tremendous pressure from the debt and third baby and family issues and feeling controlled and emasculated. Is Shanann the only girlfriend he ever had? Have you ever broken up with someone and not felt bad about it? Thanks Holly, for spending some time thinking and sharing your thoughts on these questions. This isnt the same obviously but it is the same mental state of mindsame thought processes. On Nov. 6, Watts pleaded guilty to the nine charges he faced, including five counts of first-degree murder. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? On the day of his arrest, Chris was fired from his job. This baby in my belly deserves his full love, she texted her friend, who had advised her to go through Chris phone for signs of infidelity. For anyone who questions if he did, think about losing your child. They are doing their best to survive the situation, she said. I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? She was an independent representative for the multi-level marketing company Le-Vel. Just so sad. Coupled with his need to be dependent, the savior/hero and narcissistic (tendencies); he realized he was outmatched and probably felt claustrophobic, trapped, etc. in the future. Shanann was on board with getting pregnant as this would calm the household down, giving them something to look forward to, and keep him in a marriage that was sucking the life out of him. He also knew that if he left Shanann she would make his life a living hell in every aspect of a divorce. I think he was confused and didnt want to make a strong decision either way, yet wanted out of his marriage and family life. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in . Often that doesnt come across very popular, and some people dont like what they hear. Do there was financial issues going on. In 2015, Shanann and Chris Watts filed for bankruptcy, listing their liabilities at $400,000. (He was moved out of Colorado for security reasons.). That router article is amazing work Nick! At present, the house is valued $583,500 (as of 2020). The first indication that something might be wrong in their daughter and her husband's marriage was during a family trip this past summer. Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. Have you forgotten what he did to her and his own children? Quiet people may appear calm but Chris was not quiet inside. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Chris had already killed Shanann, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste on Monday, August 13. Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant with the couple's son when Chris strangled her to death in their bedroom. The thousands in shoes, clothes, purses etc. He then loaded his daughters into his truck along with their mother's body. He takes her side in the nutgate incident and its possible hed already made up his mind what he was going to do so he could act like he was on her side knowing it really didnt make much difference, he was going to get rid of everyone anyway. She started working as a human resource specialist at Childrens Hospital Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, Aurora in 2013. From the . That is never a good sign. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? She states that she felt "very insecure" during her first marriage, and goes on to discuss how bad experiences transformed her into a self-motivated woman who built her own home by age 25. Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife Shanann and their two daughters three years ago, a still-shocking crime that shattered those who thought they knew the picture-perfect young family. He admitted to that. I am also wondering if he had some sort of a recreational drug usethe Oxy being given to SW by CW for the abortion could have been something from his own use for fun with NK?! Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. I agree wholeheartedly that relationships/couples/etc. You do so much everyday for us and take such great care of us. Place Where Shanann Watts Children were Hidden. Once there, he smothered the girls and dumped the bodies of all three. Youre right. Said, he refused couples counseling., Shanann was expecting a son they planned to name Niko. They may feel emasculated and when the marriage begins to fail, they lose control and parts of their own identitythis kind of melds into the CIVIL REPUTABLE killer when it comes to identity and it appears both CW and SW had their complete lives wrapped up in their family. Chris Watts and Shanann Rzucek met in 2010. I am so very sorry all of this happened but perhaps it gives pause for thought when making decisions. I would love to see a list that leads to Premeditated Murder. He considered his family an albatross around his neck and divorce was never an option for him after the pregnancy was announced. Offline, however, the text messages between Shanann and Chris and Shanann and her friends painted a starkly different picture. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. Its clear from a thorough analysis of all the discovery and both confessions that Watts was trying to separate from his wife in the weeks and months before the murders, going back as far as a year [close to when Kessinger allegedly made that first Google search for Shanann Watts. Shanann Watts Chris Watts familyhttps://www.facebook.com/ShanannWatts/photosCredit: Shanann Watts/Facebook, Chris Wattsdivorcehair jazzSeparationTimeline. 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